Episode 24
My Bloody Valentine Is F***ing Loud!
Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine is one of the loudest guitarists around. And he puts his volume to work creating mythical tones that have captured so many of our imaginations, including our special shoegaze correspondent, guitarist and pedal-maestro Andy Pitcher, who is our guest today.
My Bloody Valentine has a short discography made up of just a few albums and EPs that span decades. Meticulous as he seems to be, Shields creates texture out of his layers of tracks and loops and fuzz throughout, creating a music that needs to be felt as much as it needs to be heard.
We go to the ultimate source as Billy Corgan leaves us a message about how it felt to hear those sounds in the pre-internet days, when rather than pull up a YouTube clip, your imagination would have to guide you toward a tone.
But not everyone is an MBV fan, so this conversation is part superfan hype and part debate. We can all agree Kevin Shields is a guitarists you should know, but we can’t all agree what to do with that information.
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Transcript
Hey, this is Nick Milavoy.
Jason Shadrick:And this is Jason Shadrick.
Nick Milavoy:And this is the 100 Guitarist podcast where each week we are talking about one of the 100 guitar players that we think you should know.
Nick Milavoy:And this week we're talking about a guitar player that I really think you should know about.
Nick Milavoy:And his name is Kevin Shields of My Bloody Valentine.
Jason Shadrick:Yes, you should definitely know about him.
Jason Shadrick:Where you take it from there.
Jason Shadrick:Entirely up to you.
Nick Milavoy:A lot of hot takes on this episode.
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Nick Milavoy:We have a hot message today that we'll get to in a little bit, but look out for us to open up the voicemail lines.
Jason Shadrick:Yes, about the next episodes and shout out to Matthew Field, who emailed us the Nels Klein amp du Jour that we talked about a couple episodes ago.
Jason Shadrick:Yes.
Jason Shadrick:Thank you.
Nick Milavoy:Thanks for hooking that up.
Nick Milavoy:You know, it's easy to forget about the Wayback Machine.
Jason Shadrick:That's right.
Jason Shadrick:Right.
Nick Milavoy:But it's there for a reason.
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Nick Milavoy:Check out the Amp du Jour column if you can.
Nick Milavoy:That is a great piece of guitar writing.
Nick Milavoy:Experiential guitar writing from a master.
Jason Shadrick:You know who strangely did a similar thing is at the end of Donald Fagan's book, he did a similar thing where he talks about what all these venues sound like and just day by day, you know, this one sucks.
Jason Shadrick:This one's great.
Jason Shadrick:Whatever.
Nick Milavoy:He also complains about forces hotels in different cities.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah.
Nick Milavoy:That is an excellent book of musician complaining that you just reminded me of.
Nick Milavoy:And I think I might have to revisit soon.
Jason Shadrick:All time.
Jason Shadrick:All right.
Jason Shadrick:And today's episode is brought to you by Fender.
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Jason Shadrick:And also tied into this episode, you can check out the Kevin Shields signature pedal.
Nick Milavoy:Yes, don't forget about the Shields blender, which is.
Nick Milavoy:I haven't played one, but I was very excited about that when that came out.
Nick Milavoy:It's fairly, fairly recent addition to the pedal line.
Nick Milavoy:Those look very cool.
Nick Milavoy:What I have done is watched Kevin Shields and Jay Maskus demo that pedal and spent a lot of time listening to that and it is very, very cool.
Jason Shadrick:Instant My Bloody Valentine, as you'll hear in this episode.
Nick Milavoy:So, okay, before we, we have a.
Nick Milavoy:We brought in a friend to talk about, to talk about My Bloody Valentine today and help us get through, you know, just parsing out what, what's so important about Kevin Shields and maybe, maybe mediating a little bit of our, our difference in opinions here.
Nick Milavoy:But, you know, for anybody, we dive right in.
Nick Milavoy:But for anybody that isn't familiar with My Bloody Valentine, you know, they're most notable.
Nick Milavoy:You know, the, the band is under the leadership of Kevin Shields.
Nick Milavoy:He's the visionary of the band.
Nick Milavoy:They are most notable, notable for having just like walls of really loud guitars just covered in fuzz and other effects.
Jason Shadrick:Legendary feats, Painfully loud, painfully loud, painfully.
Nick Milavoy:Loud, loud to the highest of degrees, beyond beyond healthy levels of loud.
Nick Milavoy:These just legendary feats of volume.
Nick Milavoy:They're also known for taking forever to release new music.
Nick Milavoy:They have EPs and stuff, so this doesn't paint the whole picture.
Nick Milavoy: ee albums isn't anything from: Nick Milavoy:Loveless followed three years later.
Nick Milavoy:And then it wasn't for another.
Nick Milavoy: It wasn't until: Nick Milavoy:And, you know, all that stuff is just like ripe for like myth making and you know, people, you know, all sorts of theories on the Internet about, you know, what would take so long to make these albums and what goes into making these albums.
Nick Milavoy:So we're, we're rapping about it today with our good friend Andy.
Nick Milavoy:Andy is a friend of the show.
Nick Milavoy:Andy is a musical colleague and the Andy pitcher he's called in before.
Nick Milavoy:So if you're a listener to the podcast, he'll be no stranger.
Nick Milavoy:But he is a great source for MBV thoughts and information.
Nick Milavoy:So we thought we'd bring him in.
Jason Shadrick:And he dressed the part.
Nick Milavoy:And he dressed the part.
Nick Milavoy:And Jason, you were really excited to do this episode.
Jason Shadrick:Episode I've been waiting for this for literally hours to do this.
Nick Milavoy:Jason's enthusiasm throughout is.
Jason Shadrick:It is.
Jason Shadrick:I have a healthy appreciation.
Jason Shadrick:They're not.
Jason Shadrick:I'm not as into it as you guys.
Jason Shadrick:I have a healthy appreciation for them.
Jason Shadrick:I'm glad they exist.
Jason Shadrick:They're definitely a band you need to know about.
Jason Shadrick:But then again, once you're aware of them and you check out an album, do with that as you wish.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Nick Milavoy:I would say that your enthusiasm for MBV is about the same level as my enthusiasm for, you know, Eric Johnson.
Nick Milavoy:As.
Nick Milavoy:As.
Nick Milavoy:As, you know.
Nick Milavoy:But.
Nick Milavoy:But we're here covering this stuff, and we're.
Nick Milavoy:We're guitar journalists, and we can see the big picture.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:All right, let's get to it.
Nick Milavoy:All right, so we're here with friend of the pod, Colin correspondent from previous.
Jason Shadrick:Episodes, official shoegaze correspondent, Andy Pitcher.
Nick Milavoy:Andy, thank you for being here and thank you for wearing the right shirt for the gig.
Andy Pitcher:Thank you.
Andy Pitcher:I had to find it in a trough full of things.
Nick Milavoy:What does Kevin's guitar playing sound like to you?
Andy Pitcher:Well, his sound that is most.
Andy Pitcher:Him is most idiomatic sound is this style that he calls glide guitar.
Andy Pitcher:And it's like an undulating wall of sound that, as he describes it, allows you to imagine far past what the eye can see.
Andy Pitcher:He wants it to be expansive, he wants it to be textured, and he wants it to be kind of a story in and of itself, which is always exciting when you get to experience.
Nick Milavoy:Experience of the glide guitar thing.
Nick Milavoy:Like, is such a cool way to capture what his guitar playing sounds like.
Nick Milavoy:But I do kind of feel like it only captures that one thing, which I.
Nick Milavoy:It's like.
Nick Milavoy:How do you even describe it?
Nick Milavoy:If you're describing somebody who's never heard of it or never heard it.
Nick Milavoy:Right.
Andy Pitcher:It sounds like a guitar that is melting in between every chord.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, exactly.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah.
Nick Milavoy:I think that the first time that I heard Kevin Shields, I got.
Nick Milavoy:Isn't anything I heard before Loveless.
Nick Milavoy:And I don't think it was totally clear to me at the time what was guitar and what wasn't.
Nick Milavoy:And it was all guitar.
Nick Milavoy:But it's like, to me, I wasn't sure, are there synths in here?
Nick Milavoy:Like, what's happening in these sounds?
Nick Milavoy:And that's, you know, that's what was happening.
Nick Milavoy:But I think, like, that was the thing that captured me first.
Nick Milavoy:But the thing that I've been so fascinating and thinking a lot about this last couple days as we've been preparing for this episode, but just in general, because I don't really know how to capture it myself is the sound of, like, guitars totally cranked, full of fuzz, just, like, sizzling and sounding like they're actually on fire.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah, yeah.
Nick Milavoy:You know, like there.
Andy Pitcher:There's a.
Andy Pitcher:Not a shrillness, but, like a high end texture to his playing that is unbelievable.
Andy Pitcher:And I think it would be unforgivable if it wasn't for the context of the band he had built around him.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Andy Pitcher:Debbie.
Andy Pitcher:Debbie Good's bass tone, I think, is one of the most important part of Kevin's sound because it contextualizes a lot of noise and a lot of, like, really out sounds because she just has this big, fuzzy bass tone under it.
Andy Pitcher:So it almost sounds like these two instruments are one and the highs are melting and the lows are stable as anything.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, it's super unified on the records and, you know, and then the vocals also play a part.
Nick Milavoy:Like, the vocals are also a part of the guitar sound.
Nick Milavoy:Right.
Nick Milavoy:Like, the vocals sound like they're coming out of the guitar sound in a way that's really different than, you know, the way you would talk about any other vocalist in any other band because they're so dreamy.
Nick Milavoy:It doesn't.
Nick Milavoy:It doesn't matter to me.
Nick Milavoy:I don't, like.
Nick Milavoy:Can either of you hear what the vocal.
Nick Milavoy:I can never hear what they're saying.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah, they're.
Andy Pitcher:The lyrics are.
Andy Pitcher:Are way more forward than you'd think.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah, yeah, it's like.
Andy Pitcher:It's like.
Andy Pitcher:It's like very like pillow talk, but.
Nick Milavoy:It'S kind of fun, so.
Andy Pitcher:All right.
Nick Milavoy:So, Jason, what does My Bloody Valentine sound like to you?
Jason Shadrick:I think as I was doing research for this episode, I remember when MBV came out when I was working at Premier Guitar, I was like, man, I hadn't heard Love this in a long time.
Jason Shadrick:And I went through, like, another little deep dive and I was like, yep, sounds like My Bloody Valentine.
Jason Shadrick:Great.
Jason Shadrick:And kind of continued to push it to the side, but I ran across this Spin article that the title of it pretty much summed it up pretty well for me.
Jason Shadrick:And it's like, bloody My Bloody Valentine.
Jason Shadrick:The opposite of rock and roll.
Jason Shadrick:And that pretty much was one of the best descriptions I've heard of.
Jason Shadrick:I don't think Kevin would necessarily disagree with that.
Jason Shadrick:I don't think he would view that as any kind of, like, slight or anything, but it's.
Jason Shadrick:It's some of the most dense music I've ever heard, you know, and it just.
Jason Shadrick:Like there's.
Jason Shadrick:There's definite, but it's not dense without melody.
Jason Shadrick:That's the thing that is important, that.
Nick Milavoy:It'S not noise music.
Jason Shadrick:It's not noise music.
Nick Milavoy:No, there's noise in it, but it's not noise.
Jason Shadrick:I always thought of it as.
Jason Shadrick:Until I really started to listen to it, you know, especially Loveless, I think.
Jason Shadrick:Loveless.
Jason Shadrick:I mean, again, there's three records there.
Jason Shadrick:Loveless is probably the most melodic of the three.
Jason Shadrick:I think.
Nick Milavoy:I could see that.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:Right.
Jason Shadrick:I don't think that's a hot take.
Jason Shadrick:No, it's the one that connected with the most.
Jason Shadrick:The widest group of people.
Jason Shadrick:Even for something that's obviously way left of center.
Jason Shadrick:As far as his guitar playing goes, it's.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah, it's, like, hard to.
Jason Shadrick:I mean, you hear unusual notes and chords in places, but, like, here's the thing.
Jason Shadrick:Andy, have you ever seen a My Bloody Valentine tab book?
Andy Pitcher:No.
Jason Shadrick:No, I don't think one exists.
Andy Pitcher:You know, they tour with, like, 30 guitars because every tune is in a different tuning, because it's all just, like, open string, drone.
Jason Shadrick:But I'm thinking, like, something that came out in the early 90s.
Jason Shadrick:That was a very big guitar record.
Jason Shadrick:You know, tab books are all the rage in the 90s.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:You know, and I wonder if somebody, like, tried it and they're like, no, we just.
Jason Shadrick:We can't.
Jason Shadrick:We can't do this.
Jason Shadrick:I would love to see one.
Jason Shadrick:Like, one song.
Jason Shadrick:It'd probably be, like, one song.
Jason Shadrick:We'd probably be, like, 70 pages.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Nick Milavoy:There's like, a composition dissertation right there.
Jason Shadrick:I mean.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah, because you'd have to get the stems.
Jason Shadrick:You'd have to do.
Jason Shadrick:There's.
Jason Shadrick:There's no way you could do it from the mixes.
Jason Shadrick:You would have to get the stems.
Jason Shadrick:You would have to have Kevin's participation in it all.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:And I'd be willing to bet he couldn't even remember what guitar 16 was doing on this track.
Jason Shadrick:You know what I mean?
Jason Shadrick:Which I do kind of love that.
Andy Pitcher:He seems to have a memory that, like, when it gets sparked, like, I've seen interviews where they bring up something and he kind of goes away for a moment and then it all comes back to him.
Jason Shadrick:Sure.
Andy Pitcher:Because it's like all he's ever thought about, you know, which makes.
Andy Pitcher:Makes for a specific person.
Jason Shadrick:But we're like, oh, Kevin, did you play that at the eighth fret or the fourth fret?
Andy Pitcher:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:Right here's a fuzz.
Jason Shadrick:Like, that's.
Jason Shadrick:That's how I would think he would answer that kind of question.
Nick Milavoy:So it's.
Andy Pitcher:To me, they're like every part of the Beatles at once, where it's like.
Andy Pitcher:If Revolution Number Nine was like a great pop song, you have all the vocal harmonies, you have all the melody.
Andy Pitcher:You got all the tape loops, you got all the noise, but you got all the acoustic guitar layers.
Andy Pitcher:But all of it at once.
Andy Pitcher:All the time.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Andy Pitcher:Like a tune, like sometimes or something where it's just like.
Andy Pitcher:It's like pounding on the same chords between the acoustic and the electric, all these tape loops.
Andy Pitcher:It's.
Jason Shadrick:You know, I think it's more.
Jason Shadrick:If you played every track off Revolver at the same time.
Jason Shadrick:I think that's basically the recipe.
Andy Pitcher:I would agree.
Andy Pitcher:I would agree.
Andy Pitcher:But White Album, like, I need.
Andy Pitcher:I need the Revolution Number Nine stuff in there.
Andy Pitcher:I need.
Jason Shadrick:It's too long.
Jason Shadrick:White Album's too long.
Jason Shadrick:We can't.
Jason Shadrick:We're not.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah, it's too long.
Jason Shadrick:We need something short, experimental.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:If you just line up every track on Revolver the same in a daw and just hit play, that's the next.
Jason Shadrick:That's the next My Bloody Valentine record.
Nick Milavoy:Before we go any further, I want to play something so yesterday.
Nick Milavoy:So I've been thinking about, like, who's.
Nick Milavoy:What band is the most.
Nick Milavoy:Like, what band is the most liked by Bloody Valentine?
Nick Milavoy:And I've always thought about Jay Maskus.
Nick Milavoy:And there's a really great video of J.
Nick Milavoy:Mascus and Kevin Shields playing the Fender Shields Blender, Kevin's signature fuzz.
Nick Milavoy:And it's like those guys are, like, so tuned into each other.
Nick Milavoy:It's like Jay is just, like, soloing for a long time in the studio, and Kevin is just, like, tweaking the fuzz, going through all the sounds.
Nick Milavoy:And there's not a lot of people I want to watch doing that.
Nick Milavoy:But it's really fun to see those guys, like, interacting on a.
Nick Milavoy:On a sonic level.
Nick Milavoy:And, like, I.
Nick Milavoy:That's where I always go to.
Nick Milavoy:But to me, it's Smashing Pumpkins are the actual.
Nick Milavoy:Are the band that actually sounds the most My Bloody Valentine inspired.
Nick Milavoy:Not because I don't think they sound like My Bloody Valentine, but there's something about that.
Nick Milavoy:Specifically, the early stuff, Billy's guitar sound, the type of chords he's playing.
Nick Milavoy:Sevenths and ninths with a lot of reverb and distortion.
Nick Milavoy:So, anyway, so I asked Billy Corgan to tell me about Kevin Shields, and here's what he had to say.
Billy Corgan:There are very few guitar players in the history of rock and roll whose style is so singular that they make you change the way you look at the guitar.
Billy Corgan:And Kevin's in that very short list of Guitar players that made you consider, why am I doing what I'm doing?
Billy Corgan:There are very few guitar players in the history of rock and roll whose style is so singular that it forces you to reevaluate the way you play, why you play, the way you play and what you're playing through.
Billy Corgan:Because he achieved a sound that was so groundbreakingly different, you weren't even sure it was a guitar.
Billy Corgan:And I remember sitting in a studio with Butch Vic Smart Studios, his original studio, and we were hearing rumors that they were baking the tapes so that they would sound like they were melting.
Billy Corgan:And I mean, we could for the life of us, not what Kevin was doing.
Billy Corgan:Of course.
Billy Corgan:When we work with Alan Molder, Alan's like, oh, it's just an xpx90 effect that he's using reverse reverse reverb and he's doing the whammy bar and it's like, oh, that's it.
Billy Corgan:But again, the beauty was, yes, it was an effect, but it was the way he had stumbled on something that everybody thought was irrelevant.
Billy Corgan:And he revolutionized the way people looked at the guitar's atmospheric capability.
Billy Corgan:The other thing that Kevin really contributed to my thinking in terms of how to record the guitar was recording tonally, breaking the guitar into sort of tonal registers, which probably the only other guitar player has ever really done that is Brian May from Queen.
Billy Corgan:Tony Iommi to a certain extent, but Brian May more so where he looked at the guitar as like, oh, I can have it just be this mid range instrument in this one section of the song and leave all this space around it where most guitar players want the most full bodied sound.
Billy Corgan:So, yeah, I love and appreciate Kevin for that because he's very unassuming about his contribution to the guitar, but absolutely a revolutionary.
Nick Milavoy:Okay, so what do you guys think about what Billy said?
Jason Shadrick:100, right.
Jason Shadrick:He's completely correct.
Jason Shadrick:I wish I would have been able to hear Loveless when it came out.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah, you know, I think I'd have a different context.
Nick Milavoy:Is real different.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah, yeah.
Jason Shadrick: me probably in college, early: Jason Shadrick:First of all, I was in college, I was on a very strict diet of jazz guitar and just did not have time to even consider that as part of my own listening stuff.
Jason Shadrick:But.
Jason Shadrick:But I real.
Jason Shadrick: But when I hit it back in: Nick Milavoy:Mm.
Andy Pitcher:I'm glad you mentioned Iommi.
Andy Pitcher:Because I think Sabbath have a similar thing where.
Andy Pitcher:When that, you know.
Andy Pitcher:Similarly, Jason.
Andy Pitcher:Like, I wish I could have heard the first Sabbath record in context.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah.
Nick Milavoy:Oh, God.
Andy Pitcher:Thankfully it was like one of the first albums I ever heard, so it impacted me.
Andy Pitcher:But just as time has gone on, I cannot imagine what the awe that must have inspired just a totally singular world.
Andy Pitcher:Like all of a sudden this thing came out fully baked.
Andy Pitcher:And MPV is similar because like, even their.
Andy Pitcher:Their eps before isn't anything.
Andy Pitcher:They still sound like the Glider EP or Tremo.
Andy Pitcher:They still sound like the band they.
Andy Pitcher:That we come to know.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Andy Pitcher:Just from the start.
Andy Pitcher:It's like right out of the.
Andy Pitcher:Right out of somewhere.
Andy Pitcher:It's incredible.
Jason Shadrick:And he also mentioned, like, it was good to know that even where he, you know, he's sitting there with Butch Vig.
Jason Shadrick:Like they even couldn't figure out how he was making these sounds.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:You know, like, I have no clue how if I wanted to start to sound like My Bloody Valentine.
Jason Shadrick:Live is one thing, studio is another.
Jason Shadrick:I think that's also a big difference.
Jason Shadrick:Even though they have a sound, I think how he approaches, how Kevin approaches it in the studio and how he approaches on stage, you just don't have the luxury of having 16 guitar players playing at the same time.
Jason Shadrick:You know what I mean?
Jason Shadrick:And it's real interesting.
Jason Shadrick:I would love to hear like, what, what.
Jason Shadrick:What does a My Bloody Valentine rehearsal sound like?
Jason Shadrick:Yeah, you know, like, all right, it's been 15 years.
Jason Shadrick:We're gonna go play a handful of gigs.
Jason Shadrick:You get in the room.
Jason Shadrick:What's, you know, what's what.
Jason Shadrick:What's the logistical discussions and musical discussions.
Jason Shadrick:Those four people have to translate what's on a record to the stage.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, that's a great.
Nick Milavoy:That's a great question.
Andy Pitcher:I mean, Kevin, there's like eight amps on stage, I think, and as many pedal boards with different configurations.
Andy Pitcher:And it might be like seven pedals for one tune, but that's how you do it.
Andy Pitcher:So he tours with like a big rack full of pedal boards into multiple amps at once and different amps depending on what tune.
Andy Pitcher:And yeah, like I said, different guitars for different tunings.
Jason Shadrick:I mean, he'd be the all time rig rundown.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, it would be long.
Jason Shadrick:Well, first of all, it'd be long.
Jason Shadrick:There's lots of fodder there.
Jason Shadrick:And two, it would be so rare to even have a situation where we could.
Jason Shadrick:They're playing a gig or something and we could, you know, it's not like they're playing the Ryman, whatever, you know.
Jason Shadrick:But that would be an all time top five rig rundown would be Kevin Shields.
Nick Milavoy:Oh, man, I hope there's an opportunity.
Jason Shadrick:The Ryman would fall apart.
Jason Shadrick:They would have to play outside.
Jason Shadrick:Maybe in the caves.
Jason Shadrick:Maybe in the caves.
Andy Pitcher:That'd be awesome.
Jason Shadrick:That would be great.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah, I'd come down for that.
Andy Pitcher:They're the only band I've like traveled to see.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Nick Milavoy:So, Andy, you're the only one of the three of us who's seen them live.
Nick Milavoy:Tell us, give us the experience.
Jason Shadrick:Don't be surprised.
Jason Shadrick:Like you're not surprised that I have not seen them live?
Jason Shadrick:Don't be surprised.
Andy Pitcher:No, I'm surprised.
Andy Pitcher:Nick hasn't.
Andy Pitcher:Wait, no, come on.
Andy Pitcher:You got, you got Trey back there.
Andy Pitcher:You like big sounds?
Andy Pitcher:No, but so, bro.
Jason Shadrick:No.
Andy Pitcher:Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Andy Pitcher:And let me, let me stop.
Andy Pitcher:So my MBV experience started with me nervously checking my bank account and deciding I could get two face value tickets.
Andy Pitcher:And I was.
Andy Pitcher:I was in the back of class and I wasn't supposed to have my laptop out, but I did it and I grabbed a ticket for New York and a ticket for Philadelphia.
Jason Shadrick:And what year was this?
Jason Shadrick:Hold on, what year was this?
Andy Pitcher:Their last tour?
Andy Pitcher: ,: Andy Pitcher:I was working at Supro and you know, Megabus was five bucks Philadelphia.
Andy Pitcher:And so that was the first show and I got tickets on the floor and for the second show I got a ticket seated so that I could experience one in the crowd and one kind of like eye level with the.
Andy Pitcher:A raise.
Jason Shadrick:And what were the venues?
Jason Shadrick:Where are we talking?
Nick Milavoy:I love how serious.
Andy Pitcher:Fillmore.
Andy Pitcher:Fillmore in Philadelphia and then Hammerstein in New York.
Jason Shadrick:Okay.
Andy Pitcher:And I was experiencing.
Andy Pitcher:I brought a backpack full stuff to Philadelphia.
Andy Pitcher:I was experiencing unbelievable back pain by the time the show started.
Andy Pitcher:And it was.
Andy Pitcher:I ended up laying down for a bit of it in the back of the venue and it was euphoric.
Andy Pitcher:It was incredible.
Andy Pitcher:Their sound live is unbelievable.
Andy Pitcher:They have a keyboardist with them is doing a lot of the tape loop sounds.
Andy Pitcher:But it was exact.
Andy Pitcher:It was exact.
Andy Pitcher:It was, it was so gorgeous.
Andy Pitcher:And then the seated one really was like if, if I can see them again, I'd like to be seated again, seeing the full thing.
Andy Pitcher:They're doing like the like acid test style, like projector, you know, dish soap and oil thing.
Andy Pitcher:Just blasting, blasting, blasting.
Andy Pitcher:And there's so much clarity live that you wouldn't expect.
Andy Pitcher:They played new music and I knew what the riffs were.
Andy Pitcher:It's not just that I knew the shape of this sound.
Andy Pitcher:Was this familiar song because the new stuff was totally, like, you could dictate it.
Andy Pitcher:I wore earplugs and over ears.
Andy Pitcher:I had 50 DBs of reduction because I care about my ears, but I wanted to feel what that felt like.
Andy Pitcher:I only took the over off during the noise wall at the end of Feed me with your kiss, and it was terrifying.
Andy Pitcher:I cannot believe people were just listening to that with their raw ear.
Andy Pitcher:But it really was a bodily experience over anything, and it was unlike anything.
Andy Pitcher:I've been lucky to see a lot of shows.
Andy Pitcher:I go to shows for work all the time.
Andy Pitcher:I've never felt anything like that.
Nick Milavoy:Wow, okay, so you answered a question I had.
Nick Milavoy:But I'm curious what you guys think about just, like, the experience of something with such volume.
Nick Milavoy:You know, we.
Nick Milavoy:We work.
Nick Milavoy:We work in a.
Nick Milavoy:In a heavy volume field.
Nick Milavoy:And I've certainly, like, you know, with my own music, pushed myself to do feats of high volume that I've regretted later.
Nick Milavoy:I've seen Sun a couple times, and I think I've seen them three times.
Nick Milavoy:Two or two or three times.
Nick Milavoy:And it's just like these amazing shows, but I kind of stopped going to see them as much as I love them.
Nick Milavoy:In the experience of seeing.
Nick Milavoy:It's like, okay, if I were to listen to a Sun record, I would say the best way to experience sun is to see it live and to just have that stuff resonating in my body.
Nick Milavoy:But I think in, you know, now when I've thought about going to see it, like, last time they were here, friends were going, and I was like.
Nick Milavoy:I sort of flipped my way of thinking and decided that the best way to listen to sun is on a record.
Nick Milavoy:Because live, I'm so protected, my ears are so protected that I'm.
Nick Milavoy:Yes, I'm feeling the experience of sun, but I'm not actually hearing the overtones and the harmonic information that they're creating because I'm guarding my ears from it.
Nick Milavoy:The only way to actually experience it is at extreme volume.
Nick Milavoy:And I've come to this whole, like, you know, I've spun out on this about, like, how do you hear all this and also feel it?
Nick Milavoy:And I.
Nick Milavoy:It sounds like from what you're saying, like, my Bloody Valentine show would be the same.
Nick Milavoy:Like, I'd be stuck with the same feelings about it.
Nick Milavoy:Like, I want to hear how all these amps interacting with each other clash.
Nick Milavoy:Like, on the record, they make all these ghost sounds, right?
Nick Milavoy:There's this other stuff that's happening, and it's such dense harmonic information.
Nick Milavoy:That if you cover up your ears, you're not hearing those high harmonics.
Nick Milavoy:What do you think about that?
Andy Pitcher:That's really fair.
Andy Pitcher:But I think when you're working with, with an amplifier like a Marshall, a lot of that information gets clipped.
Andy Pitcher:And so the highs that a Marshall produces end up being really powerful and not shrill, but sharp.
Andy Pitcher:And so when you're using something like super Fuzz, which is a very bright, very first order harmonic forward style fuzz, it cuts through the hearing protection.
Andy Pitcher:You're impervious to some of it.
Andy Pitcher:Of course there's going to be details you miss, but those greatest details that you can see under the microscope of the studio are lost to the volume live.
Andy Pitcher:And so, yeah, a lot of that information just isn't there to hear.
Nick Milavoy:Got it.
Andy Pitcher:Because it's being overpowered by the next louder thing.
Andy Pitcher:And what you end up with is, for me, in my opinion, that physical experience.
Andy Pitcher:There's some interesting interviews where Kevin talks about discovering that stuff for the first time, where they, they played a pool hall and instead of starting their set, they were like, well, we'll just like kind of annoy.
Andy Pitcher:It was a bar, but there were guys playing pool.
Andy Pitcher:They're like, we'll just kind of annoy these guys until they leave.
Andy Pitcher:And they ended up just playing on like two chords for half an hour.
Andy Pitcher:And it was better than the set would have been in their opinions.
Andy Pitcher:Like, it was, it was such an incredible thing.
Andy Pitcher:So then when they went back, they used to practice in like a, like an art gallery or something.
Andy Pitcher:So they dragged all these amps into the big room and just for an hour, like did the thing that now they're known for and discovered this body experience more than a sound experience.
Andy Pitcher:So, yeah, I would say live.
Andy Pitcher:Like you're not missing anything.
Andy Pitcher:In my opinion, by wearing hearing protection, they hand out earplugs at the shows for free.
Nick Milavoy:Oh, wow.
Nick Milavoy:Okay.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, like they thoughtfully.
Andy Pitcher:They want it to be bodily.
Andy Pitcher:They don't.
Andy Pitcher:It's not an oral thing.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:I wonder how much they charge for a ticket.
Jason Shadrick:If I could just sit in the lobby, because that's.
Jason Shadrick:That came to mind.
Jason Shadrick:And the other thing is.
Jason Shadrick:Do you think he records loud?
Nick Milavoy:Yes, I do.
Nick Milavoy:I would think so.
Jason Shadrick:Because when you're at a show most, I mean, obviously more of the volume is coming from the PA than the stage, right?
Andy Pitcher:Typically, yeah.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:So I'm curious if he has ways to record.
Jason Shadrick:I mean, he can't record it.
Jason Shadrick:PA volume.
Andy Pitcher:No, but I think the amps are dimed.
Andy Pitcher:They would record kind of out in the countryside.
Andy Pitcher:So they could do whatever.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, I think they're.
Nick Milavoy:I think that they're loud.
Jason Shadrick:And then.
Jason Shadrick:Does he mix loud?
Andy Pitcher:That's a great question.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, just on, like, my gut responses that he mixes loud.
Jason Shadrick:Because you always, you know, watch these videos with mixers and they say they.
Jason Shadrick:It's surprising when somebody who's like a really experienced mixer, how soft they're listening when they're mixing, you know, and if it's such a.
Jason Shadrick:If he wants the end result, obviously, when it's on a record, whoever's listening to it is listening to whatever volume they want to.
Jason Shadrick:But if he wants to kind of protrude that bodily experience somehow through a record, I wonder if he feels like that needs to translate to mixing to get it as close as he can.
Andy Pitcher:They go through extreme means at times to capture the live thing on the record.
Andy Pitcher:Like Loveless, a couple years ago got a re release where it was recorded to tape.
Andy Pitcher:It was mixed to tape.
Andy Pitcher:It was mixed in analogy, but when it was pressed to vinyl, it was digitized.
Andy Pitcher:And they did a lathe cut off of a master tape a couple years ago that you could get where it basically is, like, there's no one and or zero between his microphone in 80 or nine, whenever they started recording it, and like your stylist today.
Jason Shadrick:And they.
Andy Pitcher:Sell out, like, the people who are into them.
Jason Shadrick:How many copies have you bought?
Andy Pitcher:One.
Jason Shadrick:Okay.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah, but I do own it.
Andy Pitcher:But, yeah, it's, you know, it's like.
Andy Pitcher:And it's gorgeous.
Andy Pitcher:And it does sound different than, like, pressings I had heard prior to that.
Nick Milavoy:All right, so to just kind of sum this up about My Blood Valentine, somebody coming in.
Nick Milavoy:Listen to this.
Nick Milavoy:All right, where do I start?
Nick Milavoy:It's pretty easy because there's three albums.
Nick Milavoy:You can just end a couple eps.
Nick Milavoy:You could just go listen to all of it in a couple hours.
Nick Milavoy:For me, Loveless is like, such an obvious place to start, obviously.
Nick Milavoy:I kind of.
Nick Milavoy:I feel like, for me, though, like, you know, we were talking about this the other day, Jason, that, like, Lost in Translation is such a famous movie, and so many people have seen that movie.
Nick Milavoy:It's like.
Nick Milavoy:And I love the vibe of that movie.
Nick Milavoy:And I think that, you know, Kevin did the soundtrack.
Nick Milavoy:It's like a.
Nick Milavoy:It's not My Bloody Valentine.
Nick Milavoy:It's Kevin solo that sometimes, like.
Nick Milavoy:Have you heard that?
Nick Milavoy:Do you like that vibe?
Nick Milavoy:Okay, so it's like that's.
Nick Milavoy:That's sort of like the precursor that.
Nick Milavoy:It's like a good way to talk about it.
Nick Milavoy:Like, have you vibed on Lost in Translation, then you should listen to Loveless.
Nick Milavoy:But I don't know that.
Nick Milavoy:I think, like I said, I heard Isn't Anything first.
Nick Milavoy:I don't think that's a bad place to start either.
Nick Milavoy:I don't think the MBV is a bad place to start because it's like, between the recording of Loveless and MBV and the release of mbv, the quality changed.
Nick Milavoy:MBV is so textural and so granular that it's like.
Nick Milavoy:That might be just as good of a place to start.
Nick Milavoy:What do you guys think?
Andy Pitcher:I would.
Andy Pitcher:I would find the record, since there's so few, I would find the one that best fits your interest.
Andy Pitcher:If you like more rock sounds, I would jump to maybe Loveless.
Andy Pitcher:If you're in a power pop, like, Isn't Anything is a great place.
Andy Pitcher:There's a lot of fun songs on there that, like, translate really well to acoustic guitars.
Andy Pitcher:It's just that the textures are wild.
Andy Pitcher:And if you're more on the ambient side of things, if you like experimental music, if you like, you know, the next layer of sound, MBV is a really great place to start.
Andy Pitcher:There's a.
Andy Pitcher:To me, there's a.
Andy Pitcher:There's an obvious gradient.
Andy Pitcher:That Love List sits really great in between.
Andy Pitcher:But it's not necessarily my favorite record of theirs.
Andy Pitcher:I wouldn't say another one is, but it's not, for me, like, a clear winner.
Jason Shadrick:Yeah, Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:I would say start with Loveless.
Jason Shadrick:I mean, that's the one that's the most well known, and then that's the.
Nick Milavoy:One you can, like, have a conversation with anybody about.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:Would you do.
Jason Shadrick:Now, Nick, in our ZZ Top episode, you spoke of this mythical challenge.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, yeah.
Jason Shadrick:Do you know about this?
Jason Shadrick:Andy?
Jason Shadrick:You knew about this.
Andy Pitcher:I know about this.
Jason Shadrick:Okay, so where you have to listen to a band's entire discography on a road trip above conversational level.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:So you could feasibly, Nick, Drive from Philly to New York.
Jason Shadrick:With traffic.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, with traffic.
Jason Shadrick:And get through the whole thing twice.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, exactly.
Nick Milavoy:I would do that.
Nick Milavoy:I would do that.
Nick Milavoy:Like, the ZZ Top challenge is way harder because it's days of driving.
Nick Milavoy:This is just like, if I got myself on a tip where I want to hear a lot of My Bloody Valentine.
Nick Milavoy:Right.
Nick Milavoy:And, you know, not even to put a pin on it.
Nick Milavoy:If I just want to hear a lot of, like, textural guitar sounds.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah, I'd do that on a.
Nick Milavoy:On a drive to New York, where I know there's going to be some traffic or a drive down to D.C.
Nick Milavoy:or something.
Nick Milavoy:I'd just.
Nick Milavoy:I'd just do it, probably.
Jason Shadrick:All right, final.
Jason Shadrick:A couple.
Jason Shadrick:Cool.
Jason Shadrick:Couple rapid fire.
Jason Shadrick:Super fan questions, Andy.
Jason Shadrick:Number one.
Jason Shadrick:Is the mythical box set ever going to see the light of day?
Nick Milavoy:I.
Andy Pitcher:He's never.
Andy Pitcher:He's never lied about.
Andy Pitcher:Well, no.
Andy Pitcher:There's a lot of myths, but about a release, they've always come out.
Andy Pitcher:It's just eventually, if he.
Andy Pitcher:You know, if.
Andy Pitcher:If time runs out before he does it.
Andy Pitcher:No, but I do.
Andy Pitcher:I do trust.
Andy Pitcher:I do trust that everything will happen one day, because so far it has.
Jason Shadrick:So do you feel like there.
Jason Shadrick:Because he does speak a lot about all these songs that were recorded have never been released.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:You think at some point those could see the light of day?
Andy Pitcher:Yeah.
Jason Shadrick:Okay.
Andy Pitcher:I think so.
Jason Shadrick:Number two, he's constantly.
Andy Pitcher:Sorry.
Jason Shadrick:Oh, no, go ahead.
Andy Pitcher:He's constantly remixing stuff.
Andy Pitcher:A couple years ago, they put out a CD that was all their early EPs and stuff as, like, a collection.
Andy Pitcher:And it's all remastered and it all sounds great.
Andy Pitcher:And for someone to, like, constantly be tinkering.
Andy Pitcher:I've always thought of Kevin kind of as, like an impressionist.
Andy Pitcher:And a lot of those folks, like Ives, were the same way, where they were constantly tweaking their own material.
Andy Pitcher:So I would not be surprised if that stuff came out eventually.
Jason Shadrick:All right, number two, will there be another My Bloody Valentine album and.
Jason Shadrick:Or tour?
Andy Pitcher:I think there will be another ep.
Andy Pitcher:The music that they were playing when I saw them live, that was like, new music.
Andy Pitcher:It sounded kind of like the who.
Andy Pitcher:It was cool.
Andy Pitcher:They're like, you know, through the MyBlade Valentine filter, but they're working on stuff.
Andy Pitcher:The Last one took 22 years or something, so, you know, we got some time.
Andy Pitcher:But I think there will be another EP and hopefully more touring.
Andy Pitcher:I'd like to see them again.
Jason Shadrick:All right, final question.
Jason Shadrick:You both can weigh in on this.
Jason Shadrick:You have a My Bloody Valentine tribute band.
Jason Shadrick:What's the name of the band?
Andy Pitcher:Mvb.
Andy Pitcher:My.
Andy Pitcher:My.
Andy Pitcher:My Bloody Valentine.
Jason Shadrick:Nick.
Nick Milavoy:Oh, man, that's tough.
Nick Milavoy:I don't know.
Andy Pitcher:Glider.
Nick Milavoy:Glider's good.
Jason Shadrick:Good one.
Nick Milavoy:But Glider is just a good band name.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah.
Nick Milavoy:You know, Glider's not just.
Andy Pitcher:It probably is a band name.
Nick Milavoy:Maybe tribute band.
Nick Milavoy:Shields is Blenders.
Andy Pitcher:Oh, like, full with the costume and everything.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah, yeah.
Andy Pitcher:Cover band versus tribute band.
Andy Pitcher:That's.
Andy Pitcher:I think.
Andy Pitcher:I think tribute band.
Andy Pitcher:I would do M.
Andy Pitcher:Mvb.
Nick Milavoy:I like that.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Andy Pitcher:Cover band, the Unlovables.
Andy Pitcher:It's like.
Andy Pitcher:It's like slightly loveless, but.
Nick Milavoy:Jason, I would ask you, but I don't Think you would ever even consider having my.
Jason Shadrick:I just want to know that if I see any band names in the listings to, like, not if you, if you had to.
Andy Pitcher:What, what, what cover band name would trick you into going to the first rehearsal before you realize it was a My Bloody Valentine Band.
Andy Pitcher:Like, I accidentally joined a jam band once.
Andy Pitcher:I didn't realize it was a jam band.
Nick Milavoy:What was the name?
Nick Milavoy:Was it based on the name?
Andy Pitcher:I can't talk about that.
Andy Pitcher:But I.
Andy Pitcher:Because I, I.
Andy Pitcher:But you know what I mean?
Andy Pitcher:Like, what band name that.
Andy Pitcher:And then you're like, oh, duh.
Andy Pitcher:Was my buddy Valentine.
Andy Pitcher:I didn't even realize.
Jason Shadrick:Oh, man, there'd be so many.
Andy Pitcher:They got cool titles.
Andy Pitcher:They got cool titles.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Andy Pitcher:Another.
Andy Pitcher:Another thing about them, like, thinking of COVID bands and their influence and Kevin Shields influence.
Andy Pitcher:Like Sabbath is the same way.
Andy Pitcher:I've never heard another band do it right.
Andy Pitcher:It.
Andy Pitcher:The influence is so omnipresent.
Andy Pitcher:But there's, like, two bands I've ever heard where, like, the drums are heavy.
Andy Pitcher:My buddy Valentine is like, a very heavy band in a lot of ways.
Andy Pitcher:In the same way that, like, no one.
Andy Pitcher:I've never heard someone go to do Sabbath and swing the right way.
Andy Pitcher:Like Billboards.
Andy Pitcher:Billboard growing up listening to jazz versus someone growing up listening to Bill Ward.
Andy Pitcher:Two very different players.
Nick Milavoy:Totally.
Nick Milavoy:Yeah.
Andy Pitcher:And same for me with my buddy Valentine.
Andy Pitcher:Someone who grew up listening to Kevin Shields is not going to get the nuance.
Andy Pitcher:Right.
Andy Pitcher:They're just going to get this great explosive thing.
Andy Pitcher:They're, they're, they're, they're heavy band.
Andy Pitcher:And then you get like all this really beautiful, dreamy stuff.
Andy Pitcher:But there's no, like, there's no toughness to it.
Jason Shadrick:I'm gonna call it.
Jason Shadrick:They're going to be doing the midnight set at Bonnaroo next summer, or the Sunrise set.
Jason Shadrick:That would probably be even better.
Nick Milavoy:Oh, that'd be.
Nick Milavoy:I wake everybody up.
Andy Pitcher:It like Hendrix at Woodstock.
Andy Pitcher:Yeah, my grandpa was.
Andy Pitcher:My grandpa went to Woodstock.
Andy Pitcher:You know, my grandpa's a real.
Andy Pitcher:You know, he worked.
Andy Pitcher:He was a mechanic in the New York Fire Department for his.
Andy Pitcher:Basically his whole life.
Andy Pitcher:Very straightforward guy.
Andy Pitcher:And one day he's like, yeah, I was at Woodstock.
Andy Pitcher:I was like, what?
Andy Pitcher:He's like, yes.
Andy Pitcher:Me and some friends went up and, you know, I've never.
Andy Pitcher:He, like, only sing Sinatra to me, like classic Italian grandpa.
Andy Pitcher:I was like, what was it like?
Andy Pitcher:You know, and he's like, you know, when Hendrix came on, some people were having an incredible time, and some people were hiding in their sleeping bag just, like, having A really bad trip.
Andy Pitcher:And then he kind of got quiet and I was like, oh, man, I think my grandpa was in a sleeping bag having a real bad trip.
Andy Pitcher:But, yeah, that's my shout out to grandpa.
Jason Shadrick:All right, well, thank you, Andy, for hanging with us and putting up with my.
Jason Shadrick:My all time favorite band, My Blood.
Andy Pitcher:It's all good.
Andy Pitcher:You know, you need a.
Andy Pitcher:You need both sides of it.
Jason Shadrick:All right.
Nick Milavoy:All right.
Nick Milavoy:Well, that was our talk with Andy Pitcher about My Bloody Valentine.
Jason Shadrick:And Billy Corgan.
Nick Milavoy:And Billy Corgan, which was.
Nick Milavoy:It was great to get that contribution.
Nick Milavoy:I told, you know, I told Jason the other day, I said, I'm coming in hot for this one.
Nick Milavoy:I'm really prepared.
Billy Corgan:Yeah.
Nick Milavoy:What do you think after this, after we split, you go get.
Nick Milavoy:Get some lunch?
Nick Milavoy:You putting on Loveless?
Nick Milavoy:Are you coming back to this?
Jason Shadrick:Nope.
Jason Shadrick:Again, like I said, I will happily buy a ticket to sit in the lobby.
Jason Shadrick:I'll throw him a 20 to sit in the lobby.
Nick Milavoy:You respect your hearing too much.
Jason Shadrick:Dude, it's more than that.
Jason Shadrick:But.
Jason Shadrick:But yeah, I.
Jason Shadrick:Again, I will probably not be making that.
Jason Shadrick:Making that gig.
Nick Milavoy:After.
Nick Milavoy:Let me ask you this last episode we recorded was Judas Priest.
Nick Milavoy:After that, have you listened to Judas Priest again?
Jason Shadrick:No.
Nick Milavoy:No.
Jason Shadrick:I feel like.
Jason Shadrick:I feel like we go into such deep dives on these that once we get done recording, no matter who it is, need a break.
Jason Shadrick:We got.
Jason Shadrick:We're on to the next run.
Jason Shadrick:That is one.
Nick Milavoy:That is it.
Nick Milavoy:But I still have Judas Priest album saved on Apple Music.
Nick Milavoy:Like, I.
Nick Milavoy:I'm coming back to Judas.
Jason Shadrick:Priest, you know, and Eric Johnson.
Nick Milavoy:I.
Nick Milavoy:Maybe less so.
Jason Shadrick:Maybe less so.
Nick Milavoy:But actually, that was a very good Eric Johnson episode.
Nick Milavoy:Andy Wood gave us some really great tips.
Nick Milavoy:Gave some great tips.
Nick Milavoy:So, you know, I felt like I was directed to some stuff.
Nick Milavoy:I do need to check out more.
Jason Shadrick:That's right.
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